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Title: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 16, 2015, 09:01:37 PM
Peter (or anyone else) any idea what this might be.  I've been searching round for a couple of hours and am none the wiser.

It's 23mm - weighs 5grms made of copper (I think) and has a serrated edge, like a 6d


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: dingdong on August 17, 2015, 08:06:41 PM
Sorry Val, I ain't got a clue,but I would come down on the side of a token,probably because the serated edge may denote its value,just an idea.nice find all the same👍


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 17, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
Certainly a fascinating find Chris.  I may be romanticising but look more closely at the design of the cross. I wont say who but They were in the area till the 1300's.  Maybe a charity token but no value on it  so maybe a work related token.

Wonder if it's worth reporting. Maybe the 'specialists' may know something about the symbols.

I'll wait and see what Peter makes of it.


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: dingdong on August 17, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
Wise words Val,it certainly has a lot of age to it,don't know why but it looks a bit Germanic to me!!however I'm sure Peter will put us right,still a super find.Beach or pastures??


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 17, 2015, 08:46:19 PM
See my piccie on Pauls Roman Silver post.


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 18, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
A friend has suggested it might be an Abacus counter.

He watched an episode of Time Team last night and they were discussing one that had been found. The 'Expert' informed them that they were often confused with Tokens but were distinguished by the hole in the middle. Theirs also had a distinctive cross on one side and was Saxon.

I've tried to find info. about these but come up blank.  Any ideas where I might look.  Come on Geoff, your brain is needed. ;)



Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 18, 2015, 04:23:06 PM
Val counter is a Jetton the English ones had a hole in the centre the French ones don't, I'm not certain but I don't think there are any Saxon examples they all seem to start around the reign of Edward I ;)


https://finds.org.uk/database/search/results/q/English+jetton/thumbnail/1/show/100


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: dingdong on August 18, 2015, 07:13:25 PM
Well done Chef,great I.d 👍


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 18, 2015, 07:20:49 PM
Oh that's not an id I'm just pointing Val in the direction of jettons ;)


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: dingdong on August 18, 2015, 07:34:20 PM
Sorry Chef,okeedokee !!!!!👍


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 18, 2015, 07:55:37 PM
Thanks for the pointer Geoff but it's definitely NOT a Jeton, English or French.  I was only quoting what Johns friend said, couldn't find the program to watch it myself.

Looks like it will end up as an interesting U.F.O. and I wont be sending it away to get lost like my Iron age leaf shaped spear point. ::)

I.D. might pop up in the future.



Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Dungbeetle on August 18, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
Why not send a picture and description to Mark Lodwick ? He might give you an I'd.


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: dingdong on August 18, 2015, 08:44:42 PM
Hi Dungbeetle, I sent photographs via several channelsto Mark without any luck at all!!I am not blaming Mark at all,he's one good guy trying to see and sort out every ones find details,valuations,etc,as we have said before,he covers virtually the whole of Wales!!so,we all have to be patient, and eventually!! Who knows,we might get seen to!!😉


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Dungbeetle on August 18, 2015, 08:51:11 PM
Hi Dungbeetle, I sent photographs via several channelsto Mark without any luck at all!!I am not blaming Mark at all,he's one good guy trying to see and sort out every ones find details,valuations,etc,as we have said before,he covers virtually the whole of Wales!!so,we all have to be patient, and eventually!! Who knows,we might get seen to!!😉
I usually phone him and ask after he has seen an item or a picture of it,never had a problem that way.


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 19, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
Do I see a Doc in the house  ;)  What do you make of it Peter ?  any ideas ?


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: dingdong on August 20, 2015, 08:57:57 AM
Woops!!Sorry VAL,shouldn't have gone direct to Dungbeetle on your blog!!😕


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Spooyt Vane on August 20, 2015, 01:43:27 PM
I would check out 17 century coin weights from Europe...No crown ,could it be a Cromwell coin weighgt from 17th century Rob :)


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: Val Beechey on August 31, 2015, 09:52:05 PM
Well I'm no nearer knowing exactly what these darn things are but I have I.D'd the 'symbol' on the 1st one (pic on page 1 )
It's an old  'F'   so disk one has F & G.  I spose that's progress.  I'm definitely building up the alphabet.

Need to find some more.


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: congerman on August 31, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
nice find well searched ;)


Title: Re: Token or Coin ???
Post by: digitup on September 01, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
I think it's a tunic button, probably 17th century, from a wealthy land owners outfit, maybe a soldier/officer!  but collectable whatever! Thats come of a good friend of mine who is a coin dealer .i bet that remark has upset the cart 😉


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