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Title: are we a threat ! Post by: Kev on November 21, 2009, 07:13:00 PM more not so nice news ::) ???
http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/news/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=IPED20%20Nov%202009%2023%3A36%3A45%3A267 (http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/news/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=IPED20%20Nov%202009%2023%3A36%3A45%3A267) Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: mel on November 21, 2009, 07:16:57 PM another bit of ammo against detectorists wot next.........
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: TheLoveDoc on November 21, 2009, 07:19:11 PM These nighthawks are obviously too stupid to see they are gonna ruin for it everyone including themselves ! >:(
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: Chef Geoff on November 21, 2009, 07:22:38 PM They are breaking the law anyway and would just continue after a ban, so they are not worried about the real hobby. Ba+@*>d's
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: beachboy (viv) on November 21, 2009, 07:30:06 PM i don't think a ban of any kind will bother these people,the only way to stop them is a threat of jail and a summons to the sum of the value of all they have taken and damage done to any property.(viv)
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on November 21, 2009, 07:31:02 PM Well I'm sorry but I absolutely agree with the article. It is making a definite distinction between Metal Detecting and Nighthawking. The law they are pushing for is "Metal Detecting without permission" . Not , "ban metal detecting" , or "license metal detecting" . I think its fair and all law abiding detectorists should speak out against Nighthawks.
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: Tinman (paul/Lisa) on November 21, 2009, 08:01:40 PM I agree in principal but where do you draw the line? lets say someone buys a child one of those toy detectors and they in the park would that be illegal? then what about beaches would you need permission? Dont think that cant happen look at conkers and everything else thats been taken from us, common sense goes outer the window thats my only concearn
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: coleggwent(phil) on November 21, 2009, 08:17:25 PM there are a few good points in the story not all bad so dont jump on the band wagen :-\
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: zorro on November 21, 2009, 08:19:14 PM i still dont know why there cant be a minimum sentence for the crime of "night hawking".
and am very suprised that after the recent video shown on bbc, of night hawks caught in the act , that no one has recognized them and contated the police. perhaps that might have something to do with the fact that these thieves are NOT part of a club, and certainly NOT associated with any governing body for the hobby. I would love to see these individuals named , shamed and locked up. Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: beachboy (viv) on November 21, 2009, 08:30:31 PM paul/lisa,on the issue of beaches you do now need a permit from THE CROWN ESTATE.CO.UK i know i have one.(viv)
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: Salty (Karl) Cardiff Scan Club on November 21, 2009, 09:57:25 PM I agree with what should be done to stop these thieving hooligans, because thats all they are, however if farmer whatshisname feels that strongly about our heritage, why doesn't he get of his arse, get in his landrover and go and patrol his Fields to keep them out, the same as myself and my farmers who's land i shoot on have to do to stop the louts with their lurcher's lamping illegally, and we facing idiots with guns, not metal detectors >:(
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: 150aceboy on November 21, 2009, 10:27:47 PM These night hawkers are giving us all a bad name guys, and as a result we are all being tarred with the same brush, catch them , prosecute, name and shame them i say >:( >:( >:(
Ace >:( Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on November 21, 2009, 11:21:38 PM What about a campaign , by detectorists against Nighthawkers. Nighthawkers are the Drug taking sportsmen/women of our hobby. Done by the minority spoiling and giving a bad name to the law abiding participants.
Rather us go on the defensive about our hobby I think we should go on the offensive against Nighthawkers and make a bloody noise about it. We should show that the majority of detectorists will not stand for these people spoiling our great hobby. Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: 150aceboy on November 21, 2009, 11:47:25 PM Here here Rob
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: waltonbasinman on November 22, 2009, 06:11:49 AM Agree with you on this Rob. The more vocal and lobbyist about the hawkers the more a line can be drawn between true honest detectorists and criminals.
Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: outlaw on November 22, 2009, 06:26:31 AM I find it strange when you hear in the news etc about detectorists who find treasure trove items tecting withut permission of landowners are allowed to keep items / payouts. That in itself sends out the wrong signals :(
Those two father and son recently taken to court by a local policeman found with bronze age axes claiming they didnt have time to report their finds etc, were let off, even though the owner hadnt gave permission ! Unless the penalties start scaring off these people, or the detecting franternity take action, the hobby will contine to be scarred ! I often am out early hours or late after dark, and am beginning to think I might print off some sheets with details etc of the landowners showing i have permission just incase someone/police take an interest ! Title: Re: are we a threat ! Post by: waltonbasinman on November 22, 2009, 06:43:22 AM Very good points Outlaw, I do wonder sometimes how much people think they can get away with. I posted earlier in the year about two detectorists who I saw in the Vale of Evesham and having a bit of time decided to stop and have a chat to see what they were finding. this was about mid day on a warmish sunny day and when I got about a hundred metres from them They legged it like a rocket. Though we had a laugh about it at the time on the site you did get the impression they were there uninvited so where are the boundaries of these people.
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