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Title: End Of Time Team
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2012, 09:38:00 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/19/channel-4-time-team (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/19/channel-4-time-team)


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: dances with badgers on October 21, 2012, 09:42:33 AM
whats baldrick goin to do now.bet he buys a minelab lol


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: proconsul on October 21, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
Hooray! All metal detectorists should be delighted at this news. The Time Team programme has been a consistent enemy of metal detecting and Robinson and Aston have done everything they could to get our hobby banned, including giving 'evidence' against us in front of a Parliamentary committee.

I for one am extremely happy that Channel 4 have finally come to their senses and binned this programme.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: rjm on October 21, 2012, 10:53:20 AM


It always amazed me that they could rip the top 12" of topsoil off with a JCB digger without a second
thought...........the very soil that we detect........... and then criticise detectorists for removing items
out of context!  ???

If it wasn't for detectorists we wouldn't have the wonderful hoards and other finds in our museums.

I personally think these so called academics don't like amateurs intruding into their sphere of so
called expertise. I think detectorists have given the nation more than them and they don't like it.

The good detectorists do far exceeds the odd bad incident.

Time Team was good late afternoon Sunday viewing but that Tony Robinson wanted to make me reach for my taser!  ;D



Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Mike on October 21, 2012, 11:56:19 AM
well said bob , totally agree


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: JBM on October 21, 2012, 03:29:40 PM
Hi Bob,you mention a Tazer for Tony Robinson.

You cant do that as they are reserved for use against Blind old folks with using a white stick. ;) ::) Jerry.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2012, 03:32:08 PM
pity they could not do a program like it but with detecterists in the for front of the program.and a front man who is for metal detecting.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: celticspikey on October 21, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/19/channel-4-time-team[/url] ([url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/19/channel-4-time-team[/url])
I for one feel sorry for Tony, Mick and Phil ,if they would like to contact me via D/W they are more than welcome to come with me and dig my holes, and make my tea. ;D ;D ;D ;D, oh yeh! and may be they should run a follow up programme and call it say ( Heres all the finds we made over the years and never showed because we loved showing bits of  pottery so much.)


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: galoshers on October 21, 2012, 05:40:14 PM
will they auction off phils urine stained hot paints ,and micks motheaten jumper that he has worn for the entire series ?
and he could use a haircut after all these years ......


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2012, 06:06:21 PM
                                              
"what do members think they are saying to each other" !!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? :D     

      (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qAA-m2bOeNM/TYD2VHFSZGI/AAAAAAAAAPU/uHt-dycioJQ/TimeteamTonyMick.jpg)


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: dances with badgers on October 21, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
get yours hands off my genitals baldrick.i hate u :o

balsdicks is sayin im just checkin your black adder lol


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: handyman [Alan} on October 21, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
This is just an observation, but is that part of a hearse behind them?   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
"shall be the next Johnny Vaughan and co  ( mud men ) ;)


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Napoleon on October 21, 2012, 06:47:50 PM
 ;D keep watching my channel on u tube.

#Invalid YouTube Link#Mud Men Tudors clip1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyt96k0qsHA#ws)


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: win on October 21, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
I always remember a very early programme which Tony finished by setting off with a metal detector. The other arkies were shouting 'Treasure hunter' at him. By the next programme he was well and truly 'educated' in the right wing arkie point of view. Like all converts, he has been more dedicated than those who converted him.
              Yes I think there is some element of envy that detectorists seem to make the headlines with hoard finds whilst the archaeologists are putting in many hours on less attractive but essential subjects. All the same we've made some great contributions. I'm told the study of early pre Roman coinage would barely exist without the finds made by detectorists.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Napoleon on October 21, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
Not be suprised if he got a detector at home  ;D.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: galoshers on October 22, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
' you smell of urine you old git '

'who are you to talk you old bald fart '


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: avalon on October 22, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
Well I think the program has left a lasting legacy on our Countryside. My friend Roger Box discovered the Turkdean Roman villa in Gloucestershire and called in the Time Team to excavate it. When they finished the dig they were seen scattering copper coins on the surface of the field.  >:(

They were alledged to have scattered £500 of coins, so if these were 2 pence coins there would be 25000 in number and weigh 392 lb, which would no doupt have contaminated the grass land and they should be fined for deliberatly spreading toxic waste on the ground.  >:(

 At the Witcome Roman villa site, where they did a 3 day dig, Tony Robinson spent a happy hour collecting Roman snails (Helix Pomatia) from the woodland to have a typical Roman feast.
That was untill I rang the Gloucestershire Wildlife Trust and informed them what was happening on the live broadcast and the Roman snail is a protected species, and you are not even allowed to remove them from there habitat.
So much for there environmental team on the programme who made a point of saying that no wildlife was disturbed and the land was always reinstated to how it was before.  Bon appetit baldrick and good riddance!


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: cardiff bats (Paul) on October 22, 2012, 02:44:37 PM
i think  that i am the only one who is gutted that its finished :o :o :o I really enjoyed watching the program, and its what got me into detecting in the first place.
I, for one am sorry that its ended. :'( :'(


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Chef Geoff on October 22, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
No your not the only one Paul. It's true that the last few series' have been a little lame but I have thoroughly enjoyed it. It has taught me a great deal over the years or at least aroused my interest in certain subjects enough to make me go and find out more, which it probably has for most if they could only admit it.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: avalon on October 22, 2012, 03:08:27 PM
No your not the only one Paul. It's true that the last few series' have been a little lame but I have thoroughly enjoyed it. It has taught me a great deal over the years or at least aroused my interest in certain subjects enough to make me go and find out more, which it probably has for most if they could only admit it.

I was finding more before Time Team was on T.V, they should have stuck to digging, and not use it as a tool to debate the rights and wrongs of metal detecting.  >:( They were happy to use our technology in the background, but rarely allowed us to comment on the shows. Anything more than a distant view was frowned on, even though we found most of the interesting objects which made better viewing.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Chef Geoff on October 22, 2012, 03:19:49 PM
Do you know something Steve now you come to mention it they never got the view of the digger driver either or the company who made the trowels or shovels or tape measures lol
Oh come on it was an Archaeology program not metal detecting (thank god) and as you say detecting was just a tool.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: avalon on October 22, 2012, 03:30:31 PM
They were quite happy to re-write history as the silver brooch with writing on found at Turkdean was found by Tim Hand (detectorist), not Phil as stated in the Time Team book.  ;)


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: cardiff bats (Paul) on October 22, 2012, 03:37:53 PM
I cant recall any episode of Time Team  broadcasting a  negative outlook or being used as as debate on the rights and wrongs on metal detecting? in fact quiet the opposite. A lot of the programmes were made because of detectorists finds on sites. This made the series all the more appealing to me. As for finding a lot more before Time Team was on TV, i don't understand what you are implying Avalon? Has the programme made Metal detecting more popular? If so then this can only be a good thing for the hobby in general... surely? ???


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Chef Geoff on October 22, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
They were quite happy to re-write history as the silver brooch with writing on found at Turkdean was found by Tim Hand (detectorist), not Phil as stated in the Time Team book.  ;)
You bought the book :o ???


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: avalon on October 22, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
They were quite happy to re-write history as the silver brooch with writing on found at Turkdean was found by Tim Hand (detectorist), not Phil as stated in the Time Team book.  ;)
You bought the book :o ???

No I read it in W.H.S. I don't read comic books anymore  ;D


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: avalon on October 22, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
I cant recall any episode of Time Team  broadcasting a  negative outlook or being used as as debate on the rights and wrongs on metal detecting? in fact quiet the opposite. A lot of the programmes were made because of detectorists finds on sites. This made the series all the more appealing to me. As for finding a lot more before Time Team was on TV, i don't understand what you are implying Avalon? Has the programme made Metal detecting more popular? If so then this can only be a good thing for the hobby in general... surely? ???

There have been programmes shown where they have voiced there opinion on metal detecting in a very negative way, which I believe has been damaging to the hobby, as many large estates where I go to gain permission now say detecting can only be carried out with a archaeologist being present, what's that all about!.

They were happy enough to show on every episode, a digger drivers digging deeper than the plough soil to find statification, yet as detectorists pulling out finds from the spoil heaps we never got a mention,they were more interested in zooming onto the cleevage of a young archaeologist, and ignoring detectorists who told them they were digging in the wrong place.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: probono on October 23, 2012, 03:34:25 PM
Well I for one will also miss it.

I enjoyed the banter on the program and to be honest seeing the team grow up / older, even if I felt horrified sometimes by their digger use (they annoyed the archaeological community just as much as the detecting community).

I felt the last few series were not always as good, although they had some good episodes - personally I always felt more unhappy when they had a celeb on - to be honest I don't think they needed Mary-Ann in that series, but she wasn't that bad, I just don't think they needed an extra presenter.

I've not watched them so much recently, as I never know when they are on - I watch the More 4 repeats on a Saturday.

Being an 'in-betweener' - i.e someone who has experience a fair amount of archaeology and is also quite a keen detectorist I quite often feel uncomfortable with the comments from either end of the spectrum - for me it is about the history and the joy (experienced in archaeology too) of finding things.



Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: cardiffian on October 23, 2012, 05:34:10 PM
The enjoyable 'Two Men in a Trench' series was about Battlefield Archaeology. However, the presenters, Neil Oliver and Tony Pollard always gave credit to detectorists for the finds they made during the surveys. They regularly featured the detectorists themselves on camera, when discussing the artefacts that had been unearthed. If Two Men in a Trench could have done it, then Time Team could have done so as well.

Neil Oliver on more than one occasion, has put his head above the parapet to defend the merits of responsible metal detecting. I am sure he will also be aware of the seedier side of the hobby, but unlike bald dick doesn't tar all detectorists with the same brush.


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: probono on October 23, 2012, 07:06:12 PM

Neil Oliver on more than one occasion, has put his head above the parapet to defend the merits of responsible metal detecting. I am sure he will also be aware of the seedier side of the hobby, but unlike bald dick doesn't tar all detectorists with the same brush.

And I think in the main that's my gripe - that all detectorists are tarred with the same brush. i'm not the greatest fan of Neil Oliver's presenting style, but he's gone up in my opinion (not that it was too low to start with).


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Val Beechey on October 23, 2012, 07:19:17 PM
Do I remember a rumble in the jungle some time ago about a series featuring detectorists.

Val


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Chef Geoff on October 23, 2012, 07:22:24 PM
To be fair Guy de la Bédoyère has gone on record in saying ;

"Whatever archaeologists like to claim, no excavation has done anything to tell us who owned villas, where they came from, what their estates were, or a host of other legitimate social and economic questions. I was once asked by Time Team’s originator, Tim Taylor, which excavation of a site in Roman Britain ‘had completely changed the way we think about the subject’. I had to say I couldn’t actually think of one that had done that. That was a bit extreme but on the whole it’s fairly true; if anything, it’s been the detectorist finds, uncovered in totally unexpected contexts and places, that have changed things. Not of course that many academics would admit that."


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Chef Geoff on October 23, 2012, 07:25:32 PM
Do I remember a rumble in the jungle some time ago about a series featuring detectorists.

Val

Oh god I hope not, that would be like watching paint dry, with a good dollop of cringe and spoonful of embarrassment thrown in ;D


Title: Re: End Of Time Team
Post by: Val Beechey on October 23, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Well it could slow a few people down  ::)

Val


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