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Title: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 04, 2009, 08:21:46 PM
It's back folks ;D Some members' favourite section, Ye Old Hammered Puzzle ;D

This looks a bit unusual (and it is!)

Any ideas what it is and why it is important?


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: mickycoin "mick" on November 04, 2009, 09:05:05 PM
hi just a guess is it some kind of taxation coin ??  for livestock  dont all laught at once but some one has to get the ball rolling


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 04, 2009, 09:39:21 PM
French? The central cross makes me think this. Louis the Pious? 9th century ....ish....worth a shot


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 04, 2009, 09:51:10 PM
And if I'm not even close can I have a mention in the "Most stupid guesses and making a complete fool of yourself" section  ;)


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: coleggwent(phil) on November 04, 2009, 09:52:46 PM
is it a richard  ??? thats a hard one pete :'(


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 04, 2009, 09:54:49 PM
Phil, one of us is miles out...I bet it's me! I've never found a hammered so what would I know  ;D


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: coleggwent(phil) on November 04, 2009, 09:57:14 PM
no jon i think its me richard  ??? what was i thinking  :-\  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 04, 2009, 09:57:34 PM
Jon - it is French (ish) :)
Phil - you are right about Richard :)

Put the two together and can you make any sense of it?


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 04, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
Yay! I was close, French(ish) will do me ...I'll claim a draw with Phil !   ;)


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Terry on November 04, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
dont you know what it is Pete,  and I thought that you were the main man,   We will have to get another Doc,  tut tut,   by the way I havn't the foggyest
Kiwi


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 04, 2009, 10:00:59 PM
Its Crusader coinage then isn't it???? I'm clutching at straws now,,,,


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Terry on November 04, 2009, 10:05:05 PM
is it Belgium ish


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 04, 2009, 10:20:37 PM
Its Crusader coinage then isn't it???? I'm clutching at straws now,,,,


Closeish again Jon :)


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 04, 2009, 10:22:37 PM
is it Belgium ish

Not Belgium Terry (not even ish) ;)


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 04, 2009, 10:27:44 PM
Is it a Denier?


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 04, 2009, 10:30:49 PM
Is it a Denier?

It is a denier,well done ;D ;D

But who was it minted for?


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: coleggwent(phil) on November 05, 2009, 08:41:02 AM
richard the lion heart 1198  Eleaor  ???


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: Jonola (Jon) on November 05, 2009, 05:51:14 PM
Well its got the Cross of Aquitaine in the middle so as Phil says it is either Richard the Lionheart or his mother Eleanor of Aquitaine....hopefully....


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 05, 2009, 09:49:52 PM
Well done Phil, with an honorable mention to Jon.

It is indeed a coin of Richard the Lionheart. An interesting coin because no English-minted coins bear his name.

It is classed as an Anglo-Gallic denier, and was struck at the Poitou mint (which is what PICTAVIENSIS on the reverse means), and the obverse reads RICARDVS REX.


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: KANE (DES) on November 06, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
pete was it to do with richards leaving for the crusades,perhaps is last coin before he left and john took over kingi know the boar was a personal badge of his.
 just clutching at straws mate,


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: The Doc on November 06, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
I don't know the full story behind it. It's interesting that he had these coins minted in his name on the continent, but never had his name on the English ones.

One story is that the short cross coinage of his father Henry II was so trusted and accepted everywhere, that Richard didn't even want to take Henry's name off the coins.

Richard's brother John did the same when he became king in 1199, and then when John's son Henry III took the throne in 1216, the coins still bore the name Henry so all was right with the world again.


Title: Re: Hammered puzzle 19
Post by: KANE (DES) on November 07, 2009, 12:16:36 AM
thanks for that peter you learn something  new every day mate


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