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Title: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 24, 2011, 03:16:47 PM
hello peeps.i have been given permission to detect a piece of farmland near swansea which is a suposed battle site.the locals call it cae coch but noboby seems to know who was battling who or when.would i need permision of the local archeological society to detect there? where is the best place to research this battle site?i have tried the interweb but cant get any info on it.
 i cant tell you exactly where it is because the owner has been hassled a lot by detectorists in the past and would probably shoot me because he is a bit of a loon but is o.k with me to go there.
 would i have to go to the aberystwith library site?


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: db4 on May 24, 2011, 03:30:42 PM
there is a stone with the history of the site by the cottage hospital.
carn goch means red marsh where the ground was susbossibly ran red with blood
the land is very boggy
hope this helps


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 24, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
no not there buddy lol
 :D


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Chef Geoff on May 24, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
No you won't need any special permission to detect on it, especially if you can't even find it on the net. If it was a protected Battlefield the land owner would have a copy of the scheduling and wouldn't let you on it.
Unfortunately I can think of many towns and villages that have stories/legends of battles, many of these will have some fabric of truth even if it is only a small skirmish.
Knowing south Wales the 3 eras you are usually dealing with are Roman (unlikely to find any evidence) 15thC and Owain Glyndwr (best evidence will be iron arrowheads) and the Civil war (lead musket balls).
Give it a go and see what comes up but bear in mind knowing the rough area is no real help to finding the actual spot as it can be quite localised.


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 24, 2011, 04:25:47 PM
i have another site which i have permission for which i dont know if you remember i saw a big cat on a while back.that site has been declared a site of special sientific interest ,whatever that is ?according to the lady who owns it.she told us not to dig deep holes and we would be fine. ??? ???how deep is deep


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Zeus (Joel) on May 24, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
Hey Mike. If you want a buddy to go with you as that area looks really remote and one shouldn't go alone let me know as i am free. As for how deep is deep then i would say i wouldn't go no more than 3-4 inches


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Chef Geoff on May 24, 2011, 05:06:29 PM
The depth SSi's is not below the plough soil, ie were the soil changes colour from cultivated to natural. If it's permanent pasture then you should only go an inch or two.
Ask her when it was ploughed last and go from there.. most ploughs are set to between 6"-9" and that would be your depth.


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 24, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
no geoff this is mountain land ,fairly barren with rocky out crops everywhere.it would actually make a good location to film dr who.its looking across a valley onto a local castle called carreg cennen.loads of bullets there ,50 cal mortar tailfins ,my best find there has been a billy 3rd sixpence which was only 4'' deep :)


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Chef Geoff on May 24, 2011, 05:16:14 PM
If you have rock outcropping then this is usually a good sign as it means it is constantly eroded and nothing is going to be too deep so you should be OK.


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Chef Geoff on May 24, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
Years ago when we were kids a mate found 3 Roman coins on the side of the path on Mynydd maen up above Cwmbran. I went back years later and couldn't even find the Path  :D


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 24, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
i will take pictures of this place when i get home geoff it looks like a martian landscape,there is a roman silvermine about 2 mile away as the crow flies.when my uncle worked for the welsh water board he went there with a team of researchers and he told me where it was.very remote though.napoleon is doing very well   :)
 i have not found anything roman yet i am sure i will before long  ;)
 i see that ash cloud is back ,i will be stuck out here now with all these mosquito's and the mother in law  :o
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggh >:(
 


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Teacup on May 24, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I think carn goch means red mound as in burial mound ::)


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Val Beechey on May 24, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
Hi Mike.  Most SSI sites are noted because there is something unusual growing there. Trouble is you might be disturbing the roots but if it's high altitude it's probably rock plants anyway.
Just be careful how you put the soil back.  ;D

Val


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Meatslicer on May 25, 2011, 12:03:59 AM
Cae Goch means Red Field.

Could be from a battle site or just the local soil and geology makeup.

Eric


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 25, 2011, 06:05:12 AM
its probably because of the geology i guess.sometimes if i dont get a chance to go to stone henge on the summer solstice i go there with a few beers and watch the sun go down behind the castle instead of watching it come up over stone henge


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: EMU Ex Minelabuser on May 25, 2011, 07:53:09 AM
hi badg
just like zeus9876 said you do not want to be alone in the remote areas probibly best to have a partner with you mate.......... but thinking about it a bit more we all may get a look in on some of that there gold at the beaches hmmmmmmmmm............ no mate go alone buddy LOL
Darren


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 25, 2011, 07:58:29 AM
i tend to have more luck when i go alone,feels like im under pressure with others there lol.my mate has invited me to stay in his caravan at pendine in the summer,will have to meet up with you and hit a beach down your neck of the woods


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: EMU Ex Minelabuser on May 25, 2011, 08:09:35 AM
if you can find the good stuff then you are more than welcome buddy
Darren


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Val Beechey on May 25, 2011, 09:15:32 PM
Is that the friend who gave up detecting Mike.??
Give me a shout and I'll come as well but don't reckon much to Pendine beach. Would be nice to meet you though.

Val


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Meatslicer on May 25, 2011, 10:32:24 PM
Pendine is too big and likely to produce artillary rounds and explosives for me.

Spent hours wandering up and down it once, and the tide legs it in so fast, a car got caught before they could move it.

Eric


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 26, 2011, 06:39:18 AM
yes thats the one val.he made a big fuss about me selling him my ace 250 then has only been out twice with it in a year.i did'nt want to sell the ace because i liked it.we could go to any beach has not got to be pendine


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: EMU Ex Minelabuser on May 26, 2011, 07:35:52 AM
we could make it a threesome  he he he if you are up for that badg and val would love to meet you both
Darren


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 26, 2011, 08:03:18 AM
i am always up for a threesome just remember i got a bad back and cant play twister antmore lol :o
 we could have our own little beach rally lol


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: Val Beechey on May 26, 2011, 08:46:36 AM
I know they say many a good tune and all that jazz but just bear in mind I'm 66 now. Could prob. give you  a run for your money on the walking though. If you find anything victorian it'll be me. ;D ::)

Val


Title: Re: ancient battle site research/permission
Post by: dances with badgers on May 26, 2011, 08:56:37 AM
haa haa nice one val i like your sense of humour ,i am 44 love but some days i feel 92 others 25.depends on what day it is.my back is'nt getting any younger though.i used to be very fit but with all the beers and jazz cigarettes they have taken their toll lol
 look forward to swinging with you .mike :D 


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